原文：[reddit]The fate of all Celepogeans chapter 34+
作者：XapySlenderman
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以下翻译将会以中英对照
并不会逐字逐句的精确翻译，会做一些用词的修改
如有错译再跟我说，感谢。
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So we all know that building celepogeans isa very expensive thing. So knowing how everyone of those celepogeans is usedFOR PVE could be essential info while building em.
我们都知道养神魔角是一笔很大的资源投入，
所以了解这些神魔角在PVE的用途有助于我们该选择什么角色投资。
I have delayed this for atleast 4-5 monthsas I wanted opinions of several other people. So after talking to severalwhales, guide makers, experienced players, this is the conclusion of how everycelepogean works and their priority of building.
为这篇文我大概准备了4-5个月，我想要获得多一点人的看法
因此我询问了许多有经验的玩家、课长跟游戏攻略撰写者，
并写成这篇文章，这篇文章会介绍各个神魔角色的组队跟功能
Note:All the people I talked to hadslightly different opinions about this but with predictions for the fate andpotential of all these heroes with newer heroes is discussed below.
注意：每个玩家都有自己不同的看法，下面将分别讨论所有这些神魔英雄以及加入新英雄后的搭配状况。
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Athalia:
阿塔莉亚/天使
Contrary to popular belief she is actuallymore useful that Ezizh for multiple stage battles. While Ezizh is definetlybetter than Athalia overall and Ezizh should always be built before her, herutility is nothing to ignore.
普遍认为且事实上来说埃兹比较全面，练阿塔之前应该先练埃兹
但阿塔比埃兹在推图上好用很多，不应该被忽视
While Ezizh is irreplaceble in the Godcomp, the god comp itself is a very expensive and a risky thing to use for 5stage team or higher. Even with just using Twins, Rowan and Ezizh in 1 team,thats a lot of your supports used in 1 team leaving the other 4 significantlyweaker. (There are rare exceptions where God comp is used in 5 stage or higherteams, But they are are rare for a reason)
虽然埃兹在神魔国家队是不可或缺的要角，
但在后期需要五支队伍推图的时候神魔国家队就不那么常被使用
因为神魔国家队的组成会在一个队伍中使用很多强力的辅助角
(像是双子罗万埃兹)
这会卡到你其他四个队伍的辅助使用
Now Ezizh isn’t useless everywhere exceptGod comp. But his utility is significantly lower than Athalia’s utility.
虽然埃兹在神魔国家队以外还是有用，但比起阿塔莉亚单角可用来说
埃兹比较吃队伍组成
Common question:
问
But Ezizh has both energy regen, hypobuff,ult lock and is really tanky with +9 FI and +30 SI while Athalia only hasher initial dive. So whats making Ezizh worse?
埃兹可以回能、有种族加成、有减伤、有控制(封招)、9红家具跟30专会很坦，
而阿塔给团队的效益很低，为什么会说埃兹比较逊色?
Answer:
答
While it is true that Ezizh has a lot ofusage but when even Arthur barely survives at minimum power at those levels,don’t expect Ezizh to last long. If he can’t live he can’t provide any buffexcept energy regen.
虽然埃兹团队效益很好
但当后期连亚瑟都撑不住了，更不要想埃兹有办法活在场上
当他死了就没办法提供其他能力，只剩下被动回能
Now this energy is abused in Thoran cheeseand since Ezizh can die without worries, that opens up 1 slot of extra strengthgear for some other Hero. But excluding God comp, Thoran cheese and match upspecific usages of Ezizh, there isn’t much more.
As for Athalia, she has her initial dive,energy lock due to the dive, good cc and decent damage.What makes her better isher ability to be put in any team and function well.
现在很常在骨王一刀流里面看到埃兹当作活的号角被使用
在一刀流队伍里面埃兹死了也没差，但后期埃兹也就只能这么使用了
而反观阿塔莉亚的天降、控制、伤害等等，
在游戏的大后期还是能有稳定且良好的发挥，很适合随便塞进队伍里。
She can be put the following common comps:
建议组队：
•Gwyneth team •Celetials and wilder•Celetials and graveborn •Match up specific
1.光弓 2.半神+绿裔 3.半神+亡灵 4.其他
In the Gwyneth Team Athalia replaces Ukyo’utility. Ukyo pushes the frontline enemy but keeps them stunned for the longesttime compared to Esteilda or Hendrik.
橘又京在光弓队可以推线跟晕，比女骑跟木盾做的更好。阿塔可以取代橘又京的位置。
Athalia+ Estrilda perform the same thingUkyo can do. But why is this essential you may ask?
阿塔+女骑可以做到跟橘子一样的事，这件事为什么重要?
Well because Antandra exists. Her spearskill 1 shots Gwyneth and activates after 8 seconds(Can’t be dodged orinterrupted) but if she was already in a state of cc and the 8 seconds pass,she will trigger her skill only after the cc has ended. Hence Athalia buysGwyneth enough time to Kill Atanadra before she throws her Spear. Estrildabehind Athalia ensures that Athalia knocks Antandra toward’s Gwyn’s Arrows.
因为豹女。豹女的投茅会在战斗开始的八秒发动，无法闪避跟打断，
光弓不能被这招射脸。
但如果8秒时豹女被控中，会等到控制结束才丢茅，
阿塔跟女骑的交互控制可以让光弓有时间在投茅之前控到或杀掉豹女
Cele graveborn and Cele wilder are verysimilar in that they use variations of (Orthros, Talene, Wu kong, Flora andAthalia) with Ferael, Nara or Tasi etc.
The comp works well but lacks cc which iswhat Athalia brings.
半神绿裔队跟半神亡灵队相似
阿塔可以补上这些队伍缺少的控制技能
She also can be used in any team and workdecently when targeting the right enemy. Don’t make her dive on a Tasi orFerael…
反正阿塔很万用，可以塞在任何队伍里面针对需要针对的敌人
但不要让他跳到蝴蝶或骨弓身上
Enemy Solise is a serious bitch from 34+and you will appreciate how good Athalia is when is used against mages andcorrect enemies. Her 5 second energy lock is invaluable for this purpose.
34章之后登场的九尾是个○子，这正适合阿塔莉亚出来针对
阿塔的锁能量很适合用来对付这种○掰的法师敌人
Ezizh:
埃兹
His main utility is being part of theenergy cycle( Ezizh, Rowan and Twins)
能量队的要员(埃兹、罗万、双子)
This makes him irreplaceable for 1 stagebattles like King’s Tower.
在只需要一队的场合像是王座之塔，埃兹具有不可替代性
While Ezizh is irreplaceble in the Godcomp, the god comp itself is a very expensive and a risky thing to use for 5stage team or higher. Even with just using Twins, Rowan and Ezizh in 1 team,thats a lot of your supports used in 1 team leaving the other 4 significantlyweaker. (There are rare exceptions where God comp is used in 5 stage or higherteams, But they are are rare for a reason).
虽然埃兹在神魔国家队是不可或缺的要角，
但在后期需要五支队伍推图的时候神魔国家队就不那么常被使用
因为神魔国家队的组成会在一个队伍中使用很多强力的辅助角
(像是双子罗万埃兹)
这会卡到你其他四个队伍的辅助使用
He himself isn’t tanky enough even with +30SI and +9 FI at minimum power at these later chapters.
他本身也不够坦，在后期即使有+30专跟9红家具也一样不够硬
His mainutilities are:
主要使用方式
•Energy Cycle with any other 2 heroes•Thoran cheese •Match up specific
1.能量队 2.骨王一刀流 3.特殊组队
His energy after death is abused in Thorancheese and since Ezizh can die without worries, that opens up 1 slot of extrastrength gear for some other Hero.
现在很常在骨王一刀流里面看到埃兹当作活的号角被使用
在一刀流队伍里面埃兹死了也没差，就可以解放一些装备或神器给其他队伍
As for match up spefic interactions, he canwork with any team ranging from Wilder and mauler to teams with celestials andHypogeans. His hypo buff with another Hypo is also a very good boost.
跟蛮血跟绿裔跟半神跟恶魔组队都强
跟其他恶魔组队的带来的种族加成也很棒
His feeble mind is very good to changehero’s postions but more importantly interrupts their current skills(Like Tasibanish).
精神支配可以破坏对面阵形，更重要是可以打断敌人技能(像是塔西放逐)
It all relies on how long he can survive ashe is still quite vulnerable to mages.
以上全部都创建在他可以活多久，因为埃兹很脆，尤其是对上法师
Wu kong:
悟空
Wu kong is quite interesting as he becomesquite op with his +30SI and +3 FI. Those 2 skills guarentee that he can’t bebursted easily and his damage on long battles is similar to Khazard’s damage.
悟空的30专跟3红家具让他变得挺OP的
他更容易开到大而且当战斗时间他常时他的伤害很可观，可比冰魔
Wu kong is crazy good for his distractionsand his damage is nothing to laugh at. He fits in several teams like:
悟空很棒，他可以吸引敌方火力且又能造成良好输出，可以放进很多队伍
Cele wilder: Wu kong with cc or heals forthe clones. He is mostly used as either the carry or tank in this set up.
半神绿裔：有控跟分身，在队伍中又坦又痛
Cele graveborn: Mostly used as a tank thandps in this one.
半神亡灵：大多数当坦使用
Match up specific:Wu kong can also fit intomany other teams but always make sure to use him in stall teams or slow teams.
其他组法：悟空也相当万用，但他不适合节奏太快的队伍
He doesn’t do well against teams with heavyinvade, cc or burst comps as he still relies on his team for most of the battleand is kind of a secondary unit excluding some comps.
他在应付速攻、控制、刺客阵形表现较差，也是蛮吃组队的一只英雄，
对某些队伍来说他是一个二线角
Flora:
春姑
She is in the lower category of celepogeansbut that doesn’t mesn she is bad.
She has usage in any team that can surviveas a 4v5 teams.
Like Thoran cheese, or stall comps withOrthros,Mezoth and Talene etc.
Any enemy team with non burst heroes is agood matchup for her as she can slowly kill em without having to worry abouther team getting 1 shot.
便宜的半神并不代表它是一个烂角
如果队友可以4打5不会被秒杀就可以放春姑
像是骨王一刀流或是一些有时神、吞魔、火鸟之类的队伍
很适合在对面没有加速型敌人的场合出来，
当队伍不会被秒杀就可以靠尿尿慢慢磨死对面
Twins:
双子
The second best celepogean in the game…
There really isn’t much to say. Put em inany team and see them dominate. Using them in teams where their constant hastecan be abused is good for them.
They are stall buffers while Lyca is aburst buffer.
So using Twins in build up teams is thebest use for them. Like using em with build up carries like Talene or Saurus.
Twins also must always have atleast 1 goodhealer in their team for them to perform decently.
游戏中次好的神魔角
没什么好说的，放进队伍里面看他们带队演出就对了
他们需要一点时间才能跳舞加速(兔弓就是开场加速)，
所以可以放进一些带有控制的队伍，配合需要暖机的英雄，像是火鸟或索罗斯
另外双子还需要一个很好的补，防止他们暴毙
Talene:
火鸟
Many people say she is over hyped causepeople expected her to be put in any team and insta win…
很多人说他过誉，因为他们希望任何队放进他就可以直接获胜
But people understand Talene’s true valuefrom chapter 31+ where she is a second Rowan.
Not having Talene means no progress beyondchapter 31.Always build her first!
She fits in any team ranging from God compto wilders to Orthros comps to Gwyneth or Daimon to even Thoran cheese comps.
31章之后可以展现他的真正价值，他就像是第二个罗万般万用
没有火鸟你在31章很难继续前进
绝对要先养他!他适合任何的组队，神魔国家队、绿裔队、时神队、光弓队、呆萌队，甚至骨王队都可以放
Orthros:
时神
Another celetial who is irreplaceable inmany comps.
His most important abilities are his +30SIand +3 FI and Inertia skill. Without them he isn’t good. So abusing them is priority.
So any team that groups up enemies(Eironncomps), requires 1 hero to be energy locked like a Lucius or Brutus, stallcomps and Talene comps are where he works.
Stall and Talene comps (Like celegravebornor celewilders) rely on Talene and Orthros living till the end and abusingOrthros’s +3 FI while Talene kills all and keeps Orthros alive.
His SI cirlce ensures he can’t bursted byany melee hero meaning a higher change he sirvives the 45 seconds and becomesinvincible.
But is he really required? Yes! He ismandatory for most Celestial comps or stall comps as without him no other herocan replace his unique abilities.
又是一个可以作为核心来组队的半神
他需要30专跟3红家具，有缺就用不起来
当你的组队需要控住对面回能开大(像埃隆队遇到光盾或是狮子)就可以上时神
时神在带控制的队伍(半神绿、半神亡)及火鸟队伍适性良好
火鸟跟时神可以帮助队伍生存到最后，
3红家具时火鸟可以大杀四方并维持时神的血量
他的专武可以克制近身的近战敌人，帮助他活过45秒开无敌
真的需要时神吗?需要!
因为他在半神队或是偏控制的队伍他的存在都有不可替代性
Mehira:
魅魔
She is Tasi 2.0
She gives energy and haste increase insteadof Banish by Tasi.
Both have 5 second (Sleep or charm)
Tanky(Bat lives or Teleport)
Would you like 2 Tasi to use in your comps?Then Mehira is essential to build. She is more consistant for God comp in pveand just like Tasi can be put any team that needs the cc and be very useful.
Can be used in any team ranging from Daimoncomps to God comp or wilder comps etc.
Just don’t put her against invade heavyteams
蝴蝶2.0
给能量跟加速，但没有放逐
控制技能一样有5秒(魅惑VS睡眠)
一样坦(蝙蝠VS闪现)
你有想要用蝴蝶但蝴蝶只有一支的场合吗?练魅魔吧!
任何队伍他都能待
但不适合对付坦型耐久队伍
Zolrath:
时魔
He is mainly a utility based hero in pve.
His signature is useless for pve as he isnever higher health than his enemies but it does kill brutus really fast.
pve没有异能
专武在pve没用 因为他血不可能比对面高
但他杀狮子很快啦(+30破免疫)
His utility comes from his +3 FI and a freereset.
It is usually very consistent for him todie last and give a free restart.
但3红家具跟重制战场很棒
他很容易是最后一个死掉的，可以轻易重置战局
Why is a free restart good? Well because itmight have been team 5 and you finally reached it after hours so a second tryat it can be crucial. And Zolrath can usually burst the entire enemy team inseconds if he uses Deva vu after 30-50 seconds.
His initial slow down works like Lyca 2.0but instead of speeding up allies, he slows down enemies and we all know how 1lyca haste can win us a game.
He works in many team but mainly used withother hypogeans, graveborn/Wilders and celetials.He works great in semi- burstor full stall comps in camapign.
He can do very good in King’s tower withthe full Burst comp of Eironn, Gwyn, Lorsan, Lyca and Zolrath and sometimes itsthe best team for 600+ Towers instead of God comp or Daimon comp.
重置战局为什魔爽? 如果通关需要五队，你可能花好几个小时才打到第五队
把时魔放在第五队时能重置战局可以给你省下很多次RE的次数
而且当永劫累积了30-50秒后发动了轮回后的时魔可以队敌人造成大量伤害
3红家具带来的缓进场就像是兔弓的加速那种状况，
相信大家都有体验过兔子跳一下的加速如何帮你赢下整局，
时魔的缓进场也有类似的效果
他可以进很多队伍，主要是用在恶魔组、亡灵/绿裔和半神队
他在半速攻或是全控制队伍表现不错
600层以上的王座之塔埃隆、光弓、洛桑、莱卡、时魔组成的全加速星爆队有时候表现比神魔国家或是戴蒙队还好
Mezoth and Khazard:
吞吞跟冰魔
Both Mezoth and Khazard are good heroes butmostly aren’t essential.
他们不差，但不是必需品
Before people couldn’t finish chap 33without all celepogeans but with newer op heroes like Saurus and Daimon, itbecomes possible to do 33 without em.
以前的玩家没有所有的神魔很难完成33章
但现在有更op的新英雄像是蜥蜴或是呆萌，
现在没有冰魔跟吞吞也有可能可以通关33章了
Lilith has always and always will releasemore carries than supports or Tanks. And while a team can do with 1 or 2 carriesyou require 3-4 tanks/supports
Hence Mezoth has more utility than Khazardas a very thick tank (Not that thick though).
黑心魅魔莉莉丝推出的新英雄CARRY居多，辅助跟坦是比较少的
通常是1-2个主输出带3-4个快乐伙伴
所以吞吞作为坦克可能更有机会出场
He can tank and cc so there isn’t muchstrategy to use him.
But he is Orthros 2.0
Orthros has cc and tanky overtime
吞吞可以坦可以控却没有太常被使用
因为他跟时神相似，时神也有控制技能，且坦度会随时间提升
While Meozth has cc and is insanely tankyinitially which becomes weaker overtime so he works better with faster compswith semi-burst or burst comps.
吞吞则是坦度随时间下降，所以适合速攻一点的队伍
Khazard has a sad story as he used to bebest hero for pve after Mehira but with Zolrath furniture and more carries likeSaurus and Daimon, he lost relevance.
He is still essential for 6 team + stagesbut he will eventually fade out from that too as there will always be more goodcarries coming out than supports or tanks.
His freeze cc is useful and with Arthur canhave 100% crit. Its a sad reality but he goes from being an essential carry tojust being a flex that is used with Gwyneth team to stall a bit longer.
冰魔哭哭
冰魔曾经是在魅魔之下最好的pve英雄
但因为家具普通又有更多更强的CARRY出现 像是蜥蜴跟呆萌，冰魔哭哭
当需要6队以上时会用到冰魔，
但因为CARRY一直出，相对于辅助跟坦克而言CARRY失业率更高
他的冰冻控制很棒，配合亚瑟可以达到100%爆击
所以他现在比较是作为一个控制角在光弓队打工
Now this strat works but isn’t essentialfor most stages.
He works against heal heavy team due to hisreduction and slow damage but when Wu kong does similar damage to Khazard inthe right situations it becomes sad for Khazard.
His 60% debuff increase also being a veryunique and good ability can’t be abused that hard cause Khazard being sosquishy usually dies before it can be abused.
虽然在光弓队打工效果本身不错，但多数情况不是很需要这么控
他的技能组很适合对付坦型的队伍，但悟空也挺适合对付这类的敌人
他的增加DEBUFF效果很强，但他本体太脆了所以也不会让这招过强
因为通常他活不了
冰魔哭哭
Conclusion:
结论
Athalia does better than Ezizh in multiplestages but Ezizh should still be the first ascended from the store as he isbetter for single stage battles in King’s tower, twisted realm etc.
阿塔&埃兹：
阿塔莉亚在后期需要多队的时候表现优于埃兹，
但埃兹仍然是要优先练的，因为在单队的时候及王座之塔、扭曲梦境等场合埃兹很强。
Flora is non-essential for most stages butsome stages as really hard without her so ignoring her is a bad move.
春姑：在多数场合都不是不可替换的英雄，但有些关卡他不可或缺，不要忽视他。
Wu kong: Quite versatile as a brawler whodoes good damage and tanks decently.
悟空：又痛又坦
Mezoth:Tanks twice as well as Wu kong for lower damage but a bit of cc.
吞魔：是悟空的两倍坦，但伤害低一点，不过有控制技能
Orthros: Very unique skill set that can’tbe replaced and hence is essential for several comps.
时神：技能很特别且不可被取代，需要多队伍时很实用
Zolrath: More of a utility hero with his +3FI than a dps for pve.
时魔：在PVE主要不是要他的伤害，而是需要他的3红家具技能(延后敌方进场0.75秒)
Khazard:Kinda sad but he lost relevance andwill only lose more relevance overtime with newer op carries being released inthe normal factions.
冰魔：有点可惜，后期有点冷门而且随着新角OP度提高，他更冷门了..
Mehira:Tasi 2.0. Want another tasi formulti fights? BUILD HER!
魅魔：就是另一个塔西，有多队伍需要塔西，就练魅魔!
Twins and Talene: Why would there even be aquestion to not build them?
双子&火鸟：你怎么会有疑惑要不要练双子跟火鸟? 当然是必练阿
Priority:
优先度
CH STORE:
高端竞技场商店
Ezizh>Athalia>Flora
埃兹>阿塔莉亚>春姑
LAB STORE:
迷宫商店只有悟空
Wu kong
STARGAZER:(For pve only)
推图导向的占星
Talene>Twins>Mehira>Orthros>Zolrath>Mezoth>Khazard
火鸟>双子>魅魔>时神>时魔>吞魔>冰魔
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